At their recent council meeting the Parti Quebecois made a momentous decision. They dropped the idea of having a referendum on sovereignty if and when they return to office.

How much difference is there between dropping a sovereignty referendum and dropping sovereignty itself. Surely the guarantee that the separatists were serious about separation was that they were willing to go to the polls to test their option. Now, the test is gone.

Still the P.Q. says it will go on promoting sovereignty without a referendum. But will anybody listen? After all, this debate has been going on for almost 50 years.

Eventually, there may be another constitutional debate in whichQuebec will fully sign on. But separation ????

Do you think Quebec will separate in your lifetime?




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    Paul Costopoulos Says:

    Should comments read in a recent posting, « should separatists be in the parade? », become more frequent and plentyful in the R.O.C., Quebec may leave, not because it has separated but because it has been expelled from the Canadian Confederation. I, for one, have always been firmly convinced that B.C and Alberta will join the USA long before Québec goes it’s own way. Ontario and Québec are one economic bloc depending on each other and are likely, should Canada ever break up, to form a political entity along, maybe, with the Maritimes. This would bring us back to 1867. Could be a good thing too.

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    Chimera Says:

    First I’ve heard of this, but then I tend not to pay too much attention to talk of divorce until they start to fight over who gets the dog.

    « How much difference is there between dropping a sovereignty referendum and dropping sovereignty itself. »

    The difference between polling and not polling. Sounds to me like all they’re doing is saving time and money by not asking people what they think. They’re either gonna do it or not do it, but they don’t wanna talk it to death anymore.

    « Do you think Quebec will separate in your lifetime? »

    I have long since ceased to try and figure out why I should care. I support Kosovo, Tibet, and Taiwan, why not Quebec?

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    Tony Kondaks Says:

    Separation is hibernating for the moment.

    Just wait until the next perceived great humiliation (doesn’t take much) and the poll numbers in support of separation will jump.

    The PQ’s decision to put the sovereignty referendum on the back burner is tactical and wise: Sit out and wait this downward trough.

    Remember that when Pierre Trudeau left office, support for separation was in the single digits. All it took was that big, fat mess known as Meech Lake to get the pot stirred up.

    Just wait.

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    SUZANNE Says:

    The longer Quebec waits, the less likely it will happen.

    Quebec separatism is based on ethnic nationalism. As Quebec relies more and more on immigration to replace its population, the impetus to separation will diminish in spite of the brainwashing that goes on that goes on in practically every institution in society.

    The memories of injustices are viral. My dad told me about how he needed to speak English to get a job digging a ditch. He told me about his forays out West, etc. That kind of intergenerational transmission has an effect on the collectivity. I’m sure lots of French-Canadians in Quebec have stories like that.

    But as immigrants become more prominent, the sense of social cohesion created by the victimhood mentality diminishes. There is less of an impetus for separation. If your dad wasn’t discriminated against because of the language issue, then you don’t have that same fire to push for separation. You don’t have the same personal investment in « la survivance ». After all, it wasn’t necessarily your ancestors who broke their back to clear the land and farm the St. Lawrence. In ten years, you may just as likely be living in Toronto or Vancouver. The roots just aren’t as deep.

    I am more and more optimistic all the time on that front. I hate Quebec nationalism with a passion.

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    Paul Costopoulos Says:

    Suzanne is right, time is working against the separatists. Their only hope is to come back to power in Québec city and create enough trouble to stir up the separatist sentiment. Since Pauline Marois knows only too well that she will not become Mme Premier on a referendum platform she puts it, very wisely, on the back burner. However, the more they wait the least they are likely to achieve their goal. We call it « un cercle vicieux ».
    However Tony, Meech lake had been preceded by the Charlottetown accord, two Conscription referenda, the Durham report of 1839 and a few other minor annoyances such as Ontario’s abolition of french rights at the beginning of the 20th century and Manitoba’s flouting of it’s bilingual constitution in 1890. I don’t know if you are thaught that in the R.O.C. but here, people remember. Of course the more immigrant’s children there are the less the memory is carried forward…which explains a certain reluctance toward the « Neo-Québécois » of all stripes.

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    CPP Says:

    Oh God, please separate and save us from each other!

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    Tony Kondaks Says:

    Paul: My Greek grandmother constantly reminded us of how the Turks killed her father by cutting off his head and throwing it into the front yard of the family home…and then stole all their possessions. Of course, the story seemed to get worse and more elaborate as the years went by.
    Thanks largely to my father’s refusal to spend any of his life wallowing in negativity, my siblings and I haven’t used up one calorie of energy in hating or harboring resentment to Turkey or any Turks.
    If the Quebecois are constantly reminding themselves of the annoyances you mention (and Meech preceeded Charlottetown and not the other way around, by the way), they do so out of choice. Indeed, the tiresome game of tit-for-tat that Quebec engages in can go back to the Huguenots if anyone cares to. It’s a game of manipulation that is used to keep CURRENT hate laws/ race laws such as Bill 101 on the books, as far as I’m concerned.

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    Paul Costopoulos Says:

    My father was in Salonika in 1912 and ate rats while fighting the Turks. I don’y mind a bit if I have a Turkish neighbour either. I mentioned what I did not in a vengeful intention, just to try and balance things a bit. Respect is the name of the game. A vast majority of Canadians of all origins have a deep respect for each other. Why must we always refer to the fringe separatists and red necks and Orange Men who have been at each others’ throats for eons?
    And no CPP, Québec will not separate during our life time, unless you run it out of the country yourself.

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    Joe Agnost Says:

    If they don’t seperate I sure hope they get over their inferiority complex soon!! They’ve held the R.O.C. hostage for long enough!


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    Paul Costopoulos Says:

    Amen, Joe.

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    Lorne Says:

    I want British Columbia and Alberta to leave the rest of Canada screw Quebec… there was a party years ago called the Western Separists and i voted for them. Im sick of Quebecs Whining all the time. Let them go and never let them in Canada’s federation again. They are always crying like a bunch of babies that need thier bums wiped.

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