Two Anglican bishops are sniping at each other over the issue of fully inclusive affiliation of homosexuals into the Anglican (Episcopaleon) church.

South America’s Archbishop Gregory Venables says he is coming to Vancouver this  week-end to give aid and succour to all those Canadian Anglicans who believe homosexuality is condemned by Scripture.  At the same time the Anglican primate of Canada, Fred Hiltz, has told the South American prelate to stay at home and not interfere in the internal affairs of the Canadian Church.  (The Canadian church does accept homosexuals but a number of Anglican parishes who oppose homosexuals want to break away and have Archbishop Venables as their leader).

During recent years the Anglican Communion (77-million world-wide) has become increasingly fractured  over the status of homosexuals.   The Canadian and U.S.  churches  favour full homosexual membership,  the far more numerous churches of  Africa, Asia , Latin America and the Caribbean are opposed to homosexuals.  Between 15 and 20 Canadian congregations and their priests and two retired bishops have left the jurisdiction of the Canadian and have accepted that of Archbishop Venables.

Is it worth splitting the Anglican communion into various factions over the issue of homosexuality?

Isn’t the unity of the church of more importance than homosexuality which was scarcely understood   when the Scriptures were written almost 2000 years ago?



  1. 1
    Joe Agnost Says:

    « Is it worth splitting the Anglican communion into various factions over the issue of homosexuality? »

    Sure… why not?

    There are so many flavours of christian these days I really don’t see how it matters. Do you support gays? There are several flavours that support gays. Do you support abortion? Find a sect that does also…

    Religion is like a buffet – there are so many dishes it’s hard to understand why someone can’t find what they want from at least ONE of the dishes (sects).

    Perhaps they’re just trying to appear relevant and want the news coverage to support their fantasy that they matter. No publicity is bad publicity!

  2. 2
    Chimera Says:

    « Is it worth splitting the Anglican communion into various factions over the issue of homosexuality? »

    Yes. Absolutely.

    « Isn’t the unity of the church of more importance than homosexuality… »

    No. There is no institution more important then the rights of human beings to live their lives unfettered by the fears of others.

    I don’t see where « understanding » homosexuality comes into the equation, though. The Greeks understood it perfectly. So did the Romans and the Egyptians.

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    Peter LeBlanc Says:

    As a Roman Catholic the Church teaches that human sexuality can only be expressed in the confines of a recognized marriage.

    Whether or not people follow these conditions, they are the rules.

    The problem is not homosexuality its « Sex », If homosexuals were allowed to be married, in the eyes of religion the « Sex » part for everyone would be so diminished that it would hardly be an issue.

  4. 4
    Chimera Says:

    « …they are the rules. »

    Two quick thoughts, Peter…

    One: They are rules, not laws. No one will go to jail for ignoring them.

    Two: They are only rules for those people who agree to play that game. They do not apply to those who don’t. And the sooner the game players understand that, the better.

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    Adrian Says:

    Chimera, you say that the unity of the church is more important that homosexuality. I disagree. The church stops being the church if it stops believing the word of God. In my opinion any assembly that stops believing the word of God stops being part of the church. The bible clearly states that homosexual sex is wrong. Therefore the church should not accept it even if most western societies see it as OK.

    I am glad that the laws prohibiting sex between two men still are on the books in my country even if they are not enforced. It makes the distinction between right and wrong a little clearer.

  6. 6

    Adrian –

    Many reputable bible scholars would not agree the bible clearly states that homosexual sex is wrong. Indeed it is very unlikely that those writing the bible had any idea of homosexuality in the way we understand it today.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Adrian Says:

    Lev. 18:22, « You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. »

    Lev. 20:13, « If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them »

    1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
    1Co 6:10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

    Not clear?

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    Chimera Says:

    « Chimera, you say that the unity of the church is more important that homosexuality. »

    Read it again. In fact, I said exactly the opposite.

    The church is not able to believe anything, not being sentient. The people who make up the congregation, however, are free to change their minds about doctrine, and about how to interpret the various complexities in that book. And when a majority of them do that, as it appears to be in this case, then doctrine and custom changes to make way for more enlightened thinking.

    Those who want to cling to the old ways are free to go. No one wants to make them change if they insist on stagnating. But they aren’t going to hold back the progressives, so they really should move to where they will find like-minded people.

    The bible also clearly states that slaves have to obey theit masters. Progressives decided a long time ago that they didn’t like that mandate, so they dropped it. They will also drop the prohibition against homosexuality, if it actually really exists. I’m not sure those quotes of yours are accurate translations.

    But if you have to depend on laws and rules to tell you what’s right and wrong for you, then I think that’s sad. Most thinking people prefer to make those kinds of decisions for themselves. What country do you live in, anyway, where it’s still a crime to be gay?

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